The Great Conundrum – Do Support, Or Don’t Support? A Memorial Day Question For The ages.

War – What is it good for (60’s song with asked by Edwin Starr)

Edwin Starr – War what is it good for? Here Barry Sadler – Ballad of the Green Berets HERE These were two popular songs during the Viet Nam War. Two contrasting viewpoints. So, let’s take a look at the conundrum that faces us in this world today. Anyone who lived through the 60’s and 70’s will remember how contentious the Viet Nam War was as it cost lives, and treasure beyond anything this country had known before. President Johnson was promising guns and butter economics which he knew was a lie, and it so mired him in political chaos that he refused to run for reelection.

First let’s sweep aside one of today’s most egregious canards; that patriotism is outdated, anachronistic and undesirable. This canard is foisted upon us by the enemies of America and freedom. Patriotism is no more than love of country. Sadly, there are people who have a philosophy of “My country right or wrong.” A better saying is “My country better be right, and if it’s wrong, I’m going to work to make it right.”

Evil forces behind the scenes (central bankers, some industrialists, some politicians and some military people) seek to foment war. War makes certain people wealthy. The pretext for war is always based upon some threat, real or imagined, against the “homeland”. The threat is usually couched in terms that appeal to one’s patriotism. In so doing, these behind the scenes manipulators are always successful in sucking in the people who love their country and want to protect their family and freedoms. Until the manufactured event (usually a false flag event) is revealed, the average person is just trying to live his/her life in peace and trying best they can to prosper. When the event occurs, they rise to the challenge and are prepared to fight – to join the military and “serve” their country. On the surface, this is noble and good.

The conundrum starts because these same patriots were not paying attention to what their government and behind the scenes leaders were doing to precipitate the event. In other words, they were negligent in being informed about their country’s’ doings and participating in their government’s administration. This kind of ignorance and apathy opens the door for the evil people to do their scheming and lay their traps for the unsuspecting, misinformed and uninformed.

So, to answer Edwin Starr’s question about what is war good for, here’s what it is good for. It is good for the nation that is attacked to defend itself in order for it, its culture and it’s way of life to survive in tact. In answer to Barry Sadler’s ballad, don’t put war ahead of individual responsibility as a private citizen to preserve peace.

Poetry from Pesiamento:

Fighting soldiers who have died

Gave their lives for country’s pride

Didn’t know they’d been deceived

Serving ones who betrayed and lied.

Would that they could come back now

And look around and see just how

All those corrupt and filthy scum

Make Americans scrape and low bow.

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  1. PJ London · · Reply

    Sorry to pee on your parade ;

    I have read his bandit gospel writ in burnished rows of steel:
    “As ye deal with my pretensions, so with you my wrath shall deal;
    Let the faithless son of Freedom crush the patriot with his heel;
    Lo, Greed is marching on!”
    In a sordid slime harmonious, Greed was born in yonder ditch,
    With a longing in his bosom—and for others’ goods an itch.
    As Christ died to make men holy, let men die to make us rich—
    Our god is marching on.
    The Battle Hymn of the Republic, Updated”
    Mark Twain, 1901

    “O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle — be Thou near them! With them — in spirit — we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved fire sides to smite the foe.
    O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it — for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet!
    We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.”
    Twain

    I did not like to hear our race called sheep, and said I did not think they were.
    “Still, it is true, lamb,” said Satan. “Look at you in war — what mutton you are, and how ridiculous!”
    “In war? How?”
    “There has never been a just one, never an honourable one — on the part of the instigator of the war. I can see a million years ahead, and this rule will never change in so many as half a dozen instances. The loud little handful — as usual — will shout for the war. The pulpit will — warily and cautiously — object — at first; the great, big, dull bulk of the nation will rub its sleepy eyes and try to make out why there should be a war, and will say, earnestly and indignantly, “It is unjust and dishonourable, and there is no necessity for it.” Then the handful will shout louder. A few fair men on the other side will argue and reason against the war with speech and pen, and at first will have a hearing and be applauded; but it will not last long; those others will outshout them, and presently the anti-war audiences will thin out and lose popularity. Before long you will see this curious thing: the speakers stoned from the platform, and free speech strangled by hordes of furious men who in their secret hearts are still at one with those stoned speakers — as earlier — but do not dare to say so. And now the whole nation — pulpit and all — will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open. Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception.”
    Mark Twain

    “There has never been a just one, never an honourable one — on the part of the instigator of the war.”

    “But this I would say, standing in view of God and eternity, I realise that patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone.”
    Last words of Nurse Edith Cavell


    -These are the report’s exact words:

    “War can be used to arouse human passion and patriotic feelings of loyalty to the nation’s leaders. No amount of sacrifice in the name of victory will be rejected. Resistance is viewed as treason. But, in times of peace, people become resentful of high taxes, shortages, and bureaucratic intervention. When they become disrespectful of their leaders, they become dangerous. No government has long survived without enemies and armed conflict. War, therefore, has been an indispensable condition for “stabilising society.”
    The organisation of society for the possibility of war is its principal political stabiliser…. It has enabled societies to maintain necessary class distinctions, and it has insured the subordination of the citizens to the state by virtue of the residual war powers inherent in the concept of nationhood.”
    1966 Report from Iron Mountain.

    Patriotism is shit!

    To anyone who claims to be a “Patriot” I say ;
    “Fuck you for being a mindless thoughtless and incredibly stupid piece of crap. There are ethics, morals and ideals that are worth killing to preserve. They reside in individuals but never, never, never in ‘Nations’ never in ‘countries’ never in ‘religions’. They reside in individuals and can only ever be transferred by example, not by edict, not by law, and never by force.”

    There are certain aspects of a culture that an individual thinks are worth preserving and defending.
    When these aspects are dominant then the individual feels comfortable in that culture. But the aspects which appeal to an ‘individualist’ are completely different to the aspects appealing to a ‘collectivist’. The aspects appealing to a Vegan are different to the aspects appealing to a Cannibal.
    Whether the Vegan or the Cannibal are ‘Right” is an arbitrary and individual viewpoint.

    Culture can never be based on some arbitrary physical boundaries called a “Nation” or “Country”.
    Sometimes, some groups or cultures have an ethos which I can agree with and support. Aspects of their ethos I reject. I support aspects of Christianity, and of Islam, and of Buddhism, but the totality of each of the groups of Christians, Muslims and Buddhists I reject.
    (Unlike my friend Thomas: “I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.” —
    Thomas Jefferson)

    There is nothing of the culture of Western society (USA, Europe, and colonies aping the west) that I would want to preserve.

    When you call yourselves ‘Patriots’ what you and others refer to is the “Patriot’s dream” (Woody Guthrie) or the American Dream, which as Carlin points out ‘ … is called the dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.”

    “In reality the American is marked, in fact, by precisely the habits of mind and act that one would look for in a man insatiably ambitious and yet incurably fearful, to wit, the habits, on the one hand, of unpleasant assertiveness, of somewhat boisterous braggardism, of incessant pushing, and, on the other hand, of conformity, caution and subservience. He is forever talking of his rights as if he stood ready to defend them with his last drop of blood, and forever yielding them up at the first demand. ”
    George Jean Nathan and H.L. Mencken, The American Credo, 1920

    “Socrates: Have you noticed on our journey how often the citizens of this new land remind each other it is a free country?
    Plato: I have, and think it odd they do this.
    Socrates: How so, Plato?
    Plato: It is like reminding a baker he is a baker, or a sculptor he is a
    sculptor.
    Socrates: You mean to say if someone is convinced of their trade, they have no need to be reminded.
    Plato: That is correct.
    Socrates: I agree. If these citizens were convinced of their freedom, they would not need reminders.”


    Patriotism is shit!

    The Department of War, Loot and Murder is called the Department of Defence, which is ridiculous. USA does not need defending because no one ever would want to invade and occupy the USA, not because it is “STRONG” but because it has nothing that any other group would want. It has never been invaded because no one would want the crap that fills it.

    “I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”
    ― : D. Butler, War is a Racket: The Antiwar Classic by America’s Most Decorated Soldier

    The world demand is ;
    “Yankee Go Home : and stay there.”

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    1. Hello PJ. That is one of your most loquacious commentaries to date. I’m not sure of the point you are trying to make, or maybe several points. This post was neither to discourage nor encourage military action. And, my definition of “patriot” was simple – love of country. God gave us nations, and I believe for good reason. If one nation errs in its administration and causes its people harm or even destruction, then other nations (hopefully) can learn through observation instead of experience to avoid that poor administration – wisdom if you will. The Bible provides 4 types of government: self, family, church and civil. Within the context of civil is (at least in the U.S.): municipal, county, state and national. Beyond that is corrupt organizations like the U.N. and the IMF which will enslave us all one day. President Thomas Jefferson once said that, “If men were angels, there would be no need for government.”. Of course, the Biblical account reveals that’s not necessarily the case. Cultures cross borders, but not necessarily laws, authority and taxes. I’m not sure from all of these quotes what you’re trying to say, but if you’d like to boil it down to a couple of sentences and/or specifics, then I will try to address it more succinctly and directly.

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  2. PJ London · · Reply

    It was my understanding that biblical “Nations” referred to groups of people sharing a culture and tribal grouping, not to some geographical location.
    Whilst I admit to quoting several authors they all have a single, common theme. That the Wars are merely greed and murder dressed up in fancy “Patriotic” speech.
    No one has attacked America. America has attacked some 70 countries in the last 120 years.
    Every one of those attacks was justified by “Patriotism” and Americans rushed to kill non-Americans because of “Patriotism”.
    “It is good for the nation that is attacked to defend itself in order for it, its culture and it’s way of life to survive in tact.” America is not a ‘nation’ never has been. It has multiple disparate and conflicting cultures and the ‘way of life varies’ infinitely, from Amish to Mafia and everything in between.
    The culture and way of life you referred to does not exist, it never has and never will.
    America has always been dog eat dog and devil take the hindmost.

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    1. Culture is the tie that binds. Israel sees themselves as a universal nation, and yet they have a piece of land to identify themselves as a nation. Geography would always be secondary to ideology. That’s one of the reasons that the bankers pushing their one world government have been so successful. The problem being is that they are motivated by Satanic purposes instead of Godly purposes. John Calvin referred to it as the “total depravity of man”. Romans 3:10-18 is a great synopsis. Evil men will use many approaches to get their objectives achieved, and not the least of which is patriotism. People do not want to give up their comfort zone (something I’m doing right now as I escape the state I’m living in for a free, or at least a freer, state).

      America has been attacked constantly since its inception. It’s been attacked by the Illuminists (Jacobins), Banksters (all wars are banker’s wars), Japanese, Communists, hackers et. al. It’s those same people who have infiltrated the government (or bribed its leaders) and fomented all of the odious and unjustifiable wars. People who “profess” to be Christian have gone along for the ride because they are either not Christian, or they’ve been duped into believing their cause is just. I speak of principles, but the majority have lost sight of principles in favor of pragmatism. America is a melting pot of nationalities and cultures which are bound by certain ideals enshrined in the Constitution which is what makes it a nation.

      Although America is far from perfect and has done some abominable things, that does not make the “stated” ideals of America wrong, less worthy or bad – it just makes them very hard to live up to and stay focused upon. Those stated ideals are the touchstone to which we return again and again. America is rooted in Biblical principles and Christian Biblical morality. Is it lived out in reality – for the most part no! Keep needling me, it keeps me sharp!

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