Democrat Presidential Candidate Calls For Reparations For Blacks – Only Problem – Her Family Includes Slave Owners.

 

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  1. PJ London · · Reply

    Everyone who has owned slaves should pay.
    Everyone whose family owned slaves should pay.
    Not just slaves but also ‘bonded workers’.

    “In the 17th and 18th centuries, coal miners in Scotland, and their families, were bound to the colliery in which they worked and the service of its owner. This bondage was set into law by an Act of Parliament in 1606, which ordained that “no person should fee, hire or conduce and salters, colliers or coal bearers without a written authority from the master whom they had last served”. A collier lacking such written authority could be “reclaimed” by his former master “within a year and a day”. If the new master did not surrender the collier, he could be fined and the collier who deserted was considered to be a thief and punished accordingly. The Act also gave the coal owners and masters the powers to to apprehend “vagabonds and sturdy beggars” and put them to work in the mines. A further Act of 1641 extended those enslaved to include other workers in the mines and forced the colliers to work six days a week.”

    So please (you capitalist bast*rd) just deposit my money in my Bank of Scotland Account.

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    1. You’ve covered a few bases here, and I’ll try to address them all. Firstly, we can be thankful that the U.S. Constitution forbids “involuntary servitude” which to my way of thinking should preclude a military draft. “Bonded workers” are not the same. When America was in its infancy, bonded workers came to America as what was termed “indentured servants”, and they came willingly, and someone paid their passage from Europe to America with the understanding that a seven year contract existed between the person paying and the voluntary servant. Some of those indentured servants were in debtor’s prison, and released under the arrangement mentioned. What were the benefits? The indentured servant learned a trade and was useful to the person who paid their passage, and ultimately after 7 years, they would hopefully (I’m certain there were exceptions) have some savings, and a trade they could use to set up their own business, of maybe partner with or buy out their employer. Were there abuses of that system? No doubt! I don’t know Scotland’s history, and it would not surprise me if that history had an influence on how things were handled in America and the writing of our Constitution.

      It’s easy to complain about the past, but I think we can both agree that neither you nor I know anyone who was once a slave or a slave owner that’s still living in America. And, what will you do if it turns out that there are blacks who owned slaves – which is indeed a fact that happened? Also, how will you deal with the likes of LeBron James, Oprah Winfrey, Barack Obama, Will Smith, Samuel Jackson, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Alan Keyes, and so many other blacks who are fabulously wealthy, successful and popular? What if one of their family members owned a slave or traded in a slave sale or purchase? How are you going to sort out who those people are? What if some of those people who had family members guilty as charged are dirt poor and have little to no money to pay reparations. How will you determine what is a fair and equitable reparation and who is to be assessed for said reparation.? To whom will you distribute the reparations? How will you determine the appropriate amount per the individual recipient? Who will be in charge of collecting the reparations, and who will be in charge of distributing them? How will your prevent thievery and corruption from being involved in the distribution of the reparations? When you have all of those questions/issues answered, please get back to me. I expect to hear from you in 5 or 6 years – if ever.

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      1. PJ London · ·

        1) I understand that Americans do not do sarcasm.
        2) You have no understanding of ‘Indentured servitude’
        How it worked in UK and in the colonies including the American states was :
        A person indentured could not leave the land of the holder (Laird)
        The pay was set by the Laird. (£1 or £3 per year plus a hovel in which to sleep with your family)
        In the mines the pay was ‘piece work and calculated on the number of baskets of coal delivered from the face to the managers office. Usually the women and children carried the baskets up the ladders 200 – 400 feet. A basket weighed 150 lbs.
        ***
        “In 1842, Parliament published a report about the state of coal mining – the Mines Report – and its contents shocked the nation. The report informed the public that children under five years of age worked underground as trappers for 12 hours a day and for 2 pennies a day; older girls carried baskets of dug coal which were far too heavy for them and caused deformities in these girls.
        One girl – Ellison Jack, aged 11 – claimed to the Commission of Enquiry that she had to do twenty journeys a shift pushing a tub which weighed over 200 kilos and if she showed signs of slacking, she would be whipped”
        ***
        The pay was in credit note or ‘company scrip’
        It could only be used in the laird’s or company store.
        The store set the prices of all goods.
        ***
        ” …. A tenant brings five bales of cotton to the gin. The landlord, after doing a lot of calculation, tells the tenant he broke even for the year. The tenant grows excited, and says to the landlord there’s one more bale back home that wouldn’t fit on the wagon. “Shucks,” the landlord replies. “Now I’ll have to figure it all over again so we can come out even.”

        Look up the lyrics ’16 tons’.

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        Credit was extended to the worker to allow them to, you know, ‘Eat’.
        A parent was given £5.00 on the birth of a child.
        Unless the child repaid the debt before their 18 birthday, then they too were indentured for life and could not leave the land.
        This was called ‘Debt bondage’ and as in India and hundreds of other societies the debt continued onto the families on the death of the debtor. (Since 2017, they forgiver the loan but tax you on the benefit of being forgiven)
        The only reason that Slavery was abolished in the UK was that the industrialists discovered that millions of starving people would work for far less than it cost to feed a slave. Women and children work 18 hours for bread and the chance to sleep beneath the machines out of the cold and rain.
        In Ireland they just let them starve as they did not have any industries. In England 2 million starved when industrialisation and abolition hit.

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      2. Thank you for your reply. Your references are regarding England, and I don’t believe Americans should be responsible for paying reparations to people who suffered under English rule. I believe that English rule had a lot to do with why our Constitution was written the way it was. I already acknowledged the there were abuses, but the general principle of an indentured servant in America was to benefit the servant and the person “PAYING” to bring him to America. Some “servants” indentured themselves voluntarily after finding their way to America, and most did it in England before they came. Slavery is an odious thing, but if there is a “win win” potential in the case of an indentured servitude, then is it so bad? Cultures change, and so do economic conditions.

        Today, we have socialist “safety nets” which did not exist in those days – now people are just enslaved to debt. Also, with an extremely rare exception, the people who were indentured servants in early America were white – not black. There is no way to go back in history and get the Philistines to pay reparations to the Jews for their enslavement. I don’t think it’s possible for you to go back to a time before anyone living was involved and make reparations to subsequent generations – it would take unbelievable amounts of time effort and guess work to come up with any kind of solutions, and virtually impossible to make them just solutions. The initial article to which you responded was about a black U.S. Senator calling for reparations for blacks who were enslaved. Slavery is a blemish on the history of any culture/country, and it covers most of the world and most of history and all races and creeds. Your historical references regarding England may well be accurate – I have not studied that aspect of British history, and so I will defer to you. Again, thank you for your response, and if you would like to address the actual post (or any other for that matter) as well, please feel free to do so.

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      3. PJ London · ·

        In its entry on irony, Dictionary.com describes sarcasm thus:

        “In sarcasm, ridicule or mockery is used harshly, often crudely and contemptuously, for destructive purposes.
        The use of strategies which, on the surface appear to be appropriate to the situation, but are meant to be taken as meaning the opposite in terms of face management.
        That is, the utterance which appears, on the surface, to maintain or enhance the face of the recipient actually attacks and damages the face of the recipient. … sarcasm is an insincere form of politeness which is used to offend one’s interlocutor.”

        I was addressing the article.

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      4. Thank you again for your response. I have a “Limey” friend who is most adroit at sarcasm. Your sarcasm apparently was too obscure for me, and don’t forget, the written word carries no tone of voice, hand gesticulations, facial expressions etc. so it becomes a little harder to perceive – particularly for an old fart such as myself who happens to take life too seriously. 🙂 Please forgive any misunderstanding on my part – I’m obviously a little slow on the uptake.

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  2. PJ London · · Reply

    Thanks, I am also an ‘old fart’ who grew up Limey.
    My response is that these claims are so stupid, so ridiculous that taking them seriously is giving them too much credence.
    You can never deny that ‘they’ are victims, so the only alternative is to claim victimhood, much much worse than theirs.
    (Oi Vey, growing up Yorkshire was much worse than growing up Jewish.)

    It so happens that there are many situations much much worse than theirs so it is not difficult.
    Any serious look at ‘slavery’ cannot but conclude that a) it has economic benefits and b) from a purely rational point of view it benefits the slave.
    To look at it afresh, ask whether an ‘owned’ pet is better off than a feral cat or dog?
    If not, why?
    As I mentioned Slavery was not abolished for moral reasons but purely economic reasons.
    Once there was an excess of labour (owing to industrial machinery) vastly reduced requirement for skilled craftsmen (owing to industrial machinery) then the necessity to retain both skills and labour disappeared. Unskilled drones could work the looms rather than experienced weavers and create a better product. (11 hours of factory labour to build a Toyota!)
    After emancipation, thousands of ex-slaves starved. Share cropping was much less preferable to ex-slaves than working the ‘master’s’ farms.

    “The Emancipation Proclamation and the 13th Amendment brought an end to slavery – but for newly freed African-American slaves, life didn’t change overnight.

    These pictures of slaves taken after Emancipation shows just how little treatment of many African-Americans altered after the 1863 proclamation.

    Instead of granting former slaves a glorious moment of liberty, some free-slaves were required to keep working on the same plantations, convicts were forced back into slavery through the Black Codes and sharecropping made African-Americans slaves through debt.

    One picture shows a wagon-load of African-American men in 1910 – more than fifty years after the Emancipation Proclamation – arrested under Jim Crow laws and forced to work as part of a prison chain gang.

    Another photo shows freed African-Americans still living in slave quarters on a white man’s plantation in South Carolina in 1866 – and doing the same work they did as slaves. ”

    But the previous ‘owners’ had no responsibility for the well-being of the emancipated, nor any investment to protect. There were thousands to choose from.

    The whole subject is a non-event for me.

    As a young man, being in the army was a hell of a lot easier than working and living on the outside.

    Come Inside
    (Bert Hansel?)

    I was outside a lunatic asylum one day, busy picking up stones
    When along came a lunatic and said to me, “Good morning Mr. Jones,
    Oh, how much a week do you get for doing that”, “Thirty bob I cried”
    “What, thirty bob a week, with a wife and kids to keep?
    Come inside you silly bugger come inside”

    “Come inside you silly bugger come inside, you ought to have a bit more sense.
    Working for your living, take my tip, act a little screwy and become a lunatic.
    Oh you get your meals most regular and a brand new suit besides.
    What’s thirty bob a week with a wife and kids to keep.
    Come inside you silly bugger come inside.”

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    1. Marvelous poem – very tongue-in-cheek sarcasm/humor, and I liked it. I too was in the army, and I escaped it (how I will not say except that I was “honorably” discharged). The movie Amazing Grace (William Wilberforce) certainly painted a different reason for abolishing slavery, and it was done peacefully in England. America had to have a war with tens of thousands deceased, and Carpet Baggers running amok in the South causing much additional grief at the end of the war. (A point of interest would be that many slaves left the south and settled in Chicago in the late 1800’s; they enjoyed substantial success until the government – Democrats in particular – sought to put them back on the plantation through a Federal welfare system. You can do a word search on the BLOG under “plantation” and “Black”, and you’ll find some interesting videos if they haven’t been scrubbed, and articles – the BLOG has over 1700 posts at this time) All wars are banker’s wars as far as I’m concerned.

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  3. PJ London · · Reply

    I am sorry, I thought I had subscribed.
    Don’t remember how I got here otherwise.
    Happy to comment occasionally primarily as a “Devil’s Advocate”.
    I enjoy being contrarian to make people think and defend their position, especially if it is way out on the edge of the precipice.
    ***
    “We are irritated by rascals, intolerant of fools, and prepared to love the rest.  But where are they?”  ~
    Mignon McLaughlin, The Neurotic’s Notebook, 1960
    ***
    “New Year’s Resolution: To tolerate fools more gladly, provided this does not encourage them to take up more of my time.”
    JAMES AGATE (1877-1947)

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    1. Excellent! Don’t know if you’re subscribed or not. If your getting my posts regularly, then you are. If not, it may have been from another web site that posts my stuff from time to time. You may also have had it forwarded to you. Anyway, I enjoy “the Devil’s Advocate” position myself sometimes, and welcome yours.

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